suggestions needed

[ababujay]

Dear friends,

i brought a dominator 1250 (.22) from dubai.the shop keeper told me that lot of indian customers buy .22 calibers and he assured that there wont be any problem with the customs regarding air gun. n upon arrival i voluntary declared the same to the customs, I showed them the invoice which clearly states that it’s an air rifle, but as per the procedure it was sent to the ballistic department where it failed the deal wood test so the ballistic department certified that it’s not exempted from fire arms.(the wood they used was half an inch thick meant for making boxes to pack vegetables)
So the customs people told me to get valid license to retrieve back my rifle.
i have applied for a license and may get it within 10 days.
And my questions is
i don’t want to endorse an air rifle in my license, but at the same time i want my dominator back,is there any legal way?
Is there any separate license for air rifle?
Are the customs people authorized to make any entry on my license?
plzz advice

regards
babu

[gungeek]

Very strange.... Import of firearms is banned in india and if custom officials are saying that they will endorse the air rifle in your license then i doubt. .22 license is only ment for .22 rimfire rifles not for any airguns, and if they treat airgun as firearm then they can't release it on your license unless you legally imported the rifle after getting MQS in respected catagory.

[Shamsher]

Dear Babu,
Nothing much to worry about, all will be well soon.
DGFT Hyderabad has issued a notice stating "Air Rifles are NOT Firearms"
Please get in touch with some member from Hyderabad who could get you a copy of this. This is valid for the entire Indian Union.

The custom officials are not authorized to endorse a gun on your or anybody s license, they would apparently want to see if you have a license and release the air rifle on that basis.

You should however at this time get hold of the DGFT notification, at the earliest possible. I think they also have a website.

Meanwhile other members here could suggest some positive information and suggestions how to get this released.

ss

[ababujay]

dear sham,
thanx for your positive inputs,
as per arms act import of arms is prohibited after1984,(exemption for renouned shooters) but in my detention notice its stated as below:

ALL ARMS AND AMMUNITION DETAINED PENDING PRODUCTION OF AN ARMS LICENCE, PAYMENTS OF DUTY ETC IF NOT CLEARED WITHIN ONE MONTH WILL BE DISPOSED OF UNDER THE PROVISION OF CUSTOMS ACT 1962

wat does the above statement implies?

And regarding deal wood test they are supposed to use pine wood and no where they hve mentioned the type of pine wood .
i am aware of the strength of teak wood and compared to its strength with pine the difference is meagre.
(i assume the strength of any material is based on its density )
so i feel if the deal wood test was conducted properly even a power full air rifle wud pass the test if canadian pine is not used,
below is the list of densities of different kind of wood.
frends please enlighten
regards
babu

Wood - seasoned & dry kg/cu.m
Afromosia 705
Apple 660 - 830
Ash, black 540
Ash, white 670
Aspen 420
Balsa 170
Bamboo 300 - 400
Birch (British) 670
Cedar, red 380
Cypress 510
Douglas Fir 530
Ebony 960 - 1120
Elm ( English ) 600
Elm ( Wych ) 690
Elm ( Rock ) 815
Iroko 655
Larch 590
Lignum Vitae 1280 - 1370
Mahogany ( Honduras ) 545
Mahogany ( African ) 495 - 850
Maple 755
Oak 590 - 930
Pine ( Oregon ) 530
Pine ( Parana ) 560
Pine ( Canadian ) 350 - 560
Pine ( Red ) 370 - 660
Redwood ( American ) 450
Redwood ( European ) 510
Spruce ( Canadian ) 450
Spruce ( Sitka ) 450
Sycamore 590
Teak 630 - 720
Willow 420

[Shamsher]

Dear Babu,

The test conducted by the experts was wrong. The recommended thickness for Air Rifles is 1" and for Air Pistols it is 1/2"

I am working on the detail and should be able to let you know in a day or two.

Just curious; how did they fill air in the pcp, did you arrange for it or do the guys there have arrangements to fill up pcp's.

ss

[rsuresh]

Yes even i thought about it,

Babu did u buy some pump along with that ?

Even though are they smart enough to do the fillings ?

Regards,
Suresh.R

[ababujay]

dear sham and suresh,
the rifile was taken to a rifile club and filled with nitrogen, they them self did that.
regards
babu

[Shamsher]

I am not sure but no manufacturer except the Air Force suggest to use nitrogen in pcp's, And they sell a sutible tank to handle the nitrogen separate tank for that.
The 1250 Dom is recommended to be used with HPA not Nitrogen.
So you have a small point here which you could use as an argument in case required.

Give me a couple of days to find out more on this matter.

ss

[sudhaiob]

Hello everybody
The thread gets confused day by day
The fact is that the air rifle failed the deal wood test and would fail every time because of its phenomenal power.
The licence for a air rifle is issued under category III(d) of the I schedule of the arms rules.
The licence for a .22 low velocity (LR) is under III(c) of the same schedule.
The necessacity of getting a licence under the Arms Act is not restricted to fire arms alone.
The same is covered under the V and VI category of the arms rule.
Once a licence is issued it is mandatory for the weapon to be endorsed on the licence by the issuing authority.
The customs will, in all probability address a letter to the issuing authority the details of the weapon released by them
An air rifle is not treated as a fire arm as far as the restriction to import of them is conerned.
Hope this clears all of Babujay's queries
Regs
Sudhaiob

[karizman]

Hello everybody
The thread gets confused day by day
The fact is that the air rifle failed the deal wood test and would fail every time because of its phenomenal power.
The licence for a air rifle is issued under category III(d) of the I schedule of the arms rules.
The licence for a .22 low velocity (LR) is under III(c) of the same schedule.
The necessacity of getting a licence under the Arms Act is not restricted to fire arms alone.
The same is covered under the V and VI category of the arms rule.
Once a licence is issued it is mandatory for the weapon to be endorsed on the licence by the issuing authority.
The customs will, in all probability address a letter to the issuing authority the details of the weapon released by them
An air rifle is not treated as a fire arm as far as the restriction to import of them is conerned.
Hope this clears all of Babujay's queries
Regs
Sudhaiob

You are correct on all facts regarding Arms act & Rules. But an air gun failed in Deal wood test is no more considered air gun by government authorities. It is a Firearm as per their definition. Importing a firearm without prior permission from concerned authorities is not allowed & can be confisticated & / or importer can be charged for illegal import of restricted commodity. But still as per customs reply he can procure license within 30 days or stands to lose an air gun.

I wish it does not happen but this is the reality. Now after deluge of imported .177 air guns customs authorities must have started doing their homework about this commodity & have started applying correct procedures of separating air guns with power well below permitted limit & beyond it.

SS nitrogen or air. It is not going to change much because both gases are going to deliver similar muzzle energy & will fail the deal wood taste either way.

[Shamsher]

Hello everybody
The thread gets confused day by day
The fact is that the air rifle failed the deal wood test and would fail every time because of its phenomenal power.
The licence for a air rifle is issued under category III(d) of the I schedule of the arms rules.
The licence for a .22 low velocity (LR) is under III(c) of the same schedule.
The necessacity of getting a licence under the Arms Act is not restricted to fire arms alone.
The same is covered under the V and VI category of the arms rule.
Once a licence is issued it is mandatory for the weapon to be endorsed on the licence by the issuing authority.
The customs will, in all probability address a letter to the issuing authority the details of the weapon released by them
An air rifle is not treated as a fire arm as far as the restriction to import of them is conerned.
Hope this clears all of Babujay's queries
Regs
Sudhaiob

Dear Sudhaiob,
I agree with you, since the act is already committed, the intent is to find out ways how Babu can have it released.
suggestions which would help him in having his pcp released would be more welcome.

I have requested a member from hyderabad and he is working to get a copy of the dgft notification ASAP.

ss

[sudhaiob]

I will also look into the legal angle.
a sort of a catch 22 scenario if Karizman is correct. You need a licence for the weapon that cannot be legally imported in the first place. My understanding is that the weapon will be treated not as a firearm but an "arm" whose entry is regulated. however will work out the technicalities.
regs
sudhaiob

[ababujay]

dear friends,

Today i got my fresh license for .22 rifle, i wud like to thank the licensing department and all the cops involved in the processes
i also thank
Mr Sudha iob, ebenezer, suresh, tirths , striker for their encouragement, guidance and support.
regards
babu

[gungeek]

Congratulations babu, so which .22 rifle you have planned to buy ?

[rsuresh]

dear friends,

Today i got my fresh license for .22 rifle, i wud like to thank the licensing department and all the cops involved in the processes
i also thank
Mr Sudha iob, ebenezer, suresh, tirths , striker for their encouragement, guidance and support.
regards
babu

Congrats Babu. Now its time to pick a good 22 rifle.

Regards,
Suresh.R