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Victory sighted - Article in Washington Post

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:36 pm
Author: Shamsher
New groups mobilize as Indians embrace the right to bear arms
By Rama Lakshmi
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, February 1, 2010


In the land of Mahatma Gandhi, Indian gun owners are coming out of the shadows for the first time to mobilize, U.S.-style, against proposed new curbs on bearing arms.

When gunmen attacked 10 sites in Mumbai in November 2008, including two five-star hotels and a train station, Mumbai resident Kumar Verma sat at home glued to the television, feeling outraged and unsafe.

Before the end of December, Verma and his friends had applied for gun licenses. He read up on India's gun laws and joined the Web forum Indians for Guns. When he got his license seven months later, he bought a black, secondhand, snub-nose Smith & Wesson revolver with a walnut grip.

"I feel safe wearing it in my ankle holster every day," said Verma, 27, who runs a family business selling fire-protection systems. "I have a right to self-protection, because random street crime and terrorism have increased. The police cannot be there for everybody all the time. Now I am a believer in the right to keep and bear arms."

Verma said he plans to join the recently formed National Association for Gun Rights India to lobby against new gun controls that the government has proposed, blaming the proliferation of both licensed and illegal weapons for a rise in crime.

Although India's 1959 Arms Act gives citizens the legal right to own and carry guns, it is not a right enshrined in the country's constitution. Getting a license is a cumbersome process, and guns cannot be bought over the counter -- requirements that gun owners describe as hangovers from the colonial past, when the British rulers disarmed their Indian subjects to head off rebellion.

In December, the Ministry of Home Affairs proposed several amendments to the Arms Act that would make it even harder to acquire a gun license, restrict the number of people eligible for nationwide licenses and curtail the amount of ammunition a gun owner can amass.


An official said that the ministry has called for public input. But in the meantime, the proposals have given rise to a nascent gun rights movement modeled on the strategies of the United States' National Rifle Association and echoing its rhetoric of civil rights, dignity and self-protection.

"We are outraged. We are not murderers. Instead of going after real criminals, the government is indulging in window dressing by bringing in gun control laws that target law-abiding citizens who have licensed guns," said Abhijeet Singh, 37, a software engineer who started Indians for Guns and is the coordinator of the new gun rights association.

"We want to remove the stigma on licensed gun owners," Singh said. According to the National Crime Records Bureau, 87 percent of murders by firearms in India in 2007 involved illegally held guns.

There is no official tally of legal gun owners, but Singh cited a rough estimate of 4 million to 5 million.

Last week, the National Association for Gun Rights India began meeting with lawmakers and consulting lawyers in a bid to stall the proposals. The group's president is a 39-year-old lawmaker, Naveen Jindal, who studied at the University of Texas business school in Dallas. Inspired by American students' displays of patriotism, Jindal earlier launched a successful campaign for Indians' right to display the national flag outside their homes and offices.

Indian security experts appear dismissive of the group's efforts. "There is no place for a gun rights movement in India," said Julius Ribeiro, a former police officer who comments on security issues. "That kind of debate may work in America, but it will not work here, because laws are misused and guns can easily fall into the wrong hands. It can get dangerous in India."

Gun rights advocates respond -- using language familiar to Americans -- that guns are a deterrent to crime.

"An armed society is a polite society," said Rahoul Rai, a member of the campaign. He said the movement also reflects the rise of an Indian middle class that can "voice its fears about rising crime, interpret the constitution to articulate their rights to self-protection and bring like-minded people together through technology."

Shahid Ahmad, who runs a Web site called TGG , said the process of getting a gun license in India is so burdensome that it encourages corruption. To hasten the process, he said, many applicants ask politicians to put in a word in their favor, or attempt to bribe officials and police officers.

To illustrate the point, gun advocates refer to a 2008 incident in the state of Madhya Pradesh. The clamor for gun licenses was so high, according to news media, that officials tried to induce men with large families to participate in a vasectomy program by promising a license in return.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02079.html

Re: Victory sighted

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:49 am
Author: gungeek
Wonderful...... A positive step towards RKBA in india.

Re: Victory sighted

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:03 am
Author: lionofkathiyawad
"That kind of debate may work in America, but it will not work here, because laws are misused and guns can easily fall into the wrong hands. It can get dangerous in India."


What kind of debate will work here :?:

Haven't the guns already fallen into wrong hands(naxals)?

2-3 years back a retired chief justice of supreme court had come to rajkot for inauguration of 'fast track court'. His statement to local press "The time is not far when all common man of our country, if they want to live peacefully will have to bear an arm"

Re: Victory sighted - Article in Washington Post

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:30 am
Author: Olly
The NAGRI conception is on its path to fructification.... and here we see a beginning on the media's interest being aroused....

Memberships would open shortly and I hope all of us here, and many more friends and acquaintances will join the cause and associate themselves with NAGRI. Gear up...

Suggestions are most welcome....

Re: Victory sighted - Article in Washington Post

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:35 am
Author: m24
Well, whoever made this article happen, my heartfelt thanks to them. Now, if only we could get this into our local dailies....that would be best.

Regards

Re: Victory sighted - Article in Washington Post

PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:36 am
Author: m24
We're growing!!! The WP article is being picked up by Gun Blogs.

http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2010/02 ... man-right/

I would have said the chances are slim, but even the Washington Post is covering the possibility of a gun rights movement in India. It’ll be interesting if India turns out to be a major front in the international battle to get other governments to recognize their people have the right to effective tools needed to defend their lives and liberty against predation, like we saw in the Mumbai attacks.


For more, go to Google and type Gun Rights India and follow each and every thread. We are getting support. :)

Regards